Curse

FlamingMetroid · Jun 08, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by hunter

PVE Blood DPS
PVE Blood tanking
PVE Frost build DPS abusing frost strike
PVE Frost tanking
PVP Frost
PVE Unholy 12/59
(PVE Unholy 10/61)
PVP Unholy 17/54 with AMZ
PVP Unholy 19/52

yes, but those all play roughly as "roll face on keyboard"

Bryant Again · Jun 08, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by hunter

Link me your armory profile with "glory of the ulduar raider" please

After a post like this? I'm not feeling it.

I don't link my armories for the same reason I don't have my GW name here: much nastiness.

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Originally Posted by hunter

Funny thing is, my DK has to burn gold each week to swap between 6-7 different talent specs.

You'll have to provide a pretty good reason why a Death Knight "needs" to respec each day.

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Originally Posted by hunter

So lol @ your "better build variety" argument, silly WOW nublet.

WoW's most creditable PvP format is 5v5, GW's is 8v8. That right there gives GW more of a head in terms of variety, but to continue:

So DK's apparently have six main paths they can go down for PvE, whereas a War in GW can persue five (and they're only based off of the PvX wiki).

For PvP, a DK has three main builds they can persue, while for GW I'm seeing a lot more even just based off of observer (and there's no such thing as "standard war PvP build").

Gigashadow · Jun 08, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I thought this was an interesting article about MMO betas. Something to think about when wondering when a game should release a beta, at what stage of development it makes sense to do so, and what do developers get out of it these days?

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/66885

This article was also really interesting; what happens when you beta too soon?

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/51945

Mordakai · Jun 08, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

This article was also really interesting; what happens when you beta too soon?

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/51945

Yikes, that's a brutal article.

This guy needs to work on his PR skills:

Scott: "I’d like to ask people to hang in there. Don’t judge us until you’ve seen our next few products. I feel like we’ve learned so much and employed so many processes. I’m so proud of the way we build games now – our groups and our focus testing – and I think we finally get it. "

I appreciate being honest, I really do. But this sounds essentially like begging: "please, please, try our game." And that's never a good way to sell something.

One thing both these articles do is confirm that Anet is doing the right thing: No press, no screens, nothing until beta is ready (or close to it).

And you know the Beta of GW2 will probably be a practically finished game. Anet knows that Betas are what sells a game, and that as soon as that Beta opens, NDA or not, there will be flames, there will be Youtube clips and leaked screens. Once you open Pandora's Box, there's no going back.

ogre_jd · Jun 08, 2009, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Something to think about when wondering when a game should release a beta, at what stage of development it makes sense to do so, and what do developers get out of it these days?

Dunno about the very last part, but the beta should only be after all intended features are implemented and they *think* they've gotten rid of all the bugs and *think* they've gotten the balance right. That is when you should let outsiders in to start stress-testing at a level you just can't do in-house.

hunter · Jun 10, 2009, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

After a post like this? I'm not feeling it.

I don't link my armories for the same reason I don't have my GW name here: much nastiness.

Aka you have no idea wtf you are talking about. if you make a claim, be ready to back it up, otherwise don't post at all

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You'll have to provide a pretty good reason why a Death Knight "needs" to respec each day.

Easily: i pug as a tank, as well as do ulduar in guild as a DPS. My 2v2 spec is unholy 19/52 while my 3v3 spec changes between 17/54 AMZ or frost depending on what we feel like doing. This a good enough reason for ya?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

(and there's no such thing as "standard war PvP build").

lol, final proof that you have been talking out of your ass ever since the start. Im done with you, go back to RA please.

hunter · Jun 10, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Yikes, that's a brutal article.

This guy needs to work on his PR skills:

Scott: "I’d like to ask people to hang in there. Don’t judge us until you’ve seen our next few products. I feel like we’ve learned so much and employed so many processes. I’m so proud of the way we build games now – our groups and our focus testing – and I think we finally get it. "

I appreciate being honest, I really do. But this sounds essentially like begging: "please, please, try our game." And that's never a good way to sell something.

One thing both these articles do is confirm that Anet is doing the right thing: No press, no screens, nothing until beta is ready (or close to it).

And you know the Beta of GW2 will probably be a practically finished game. Anet knows that Betas are what sells a game, and that as soon as that Beta opens, NDA or not, there will be flames, there will be Youtube clips and leaked screens. Once you open Pandora's Box, there's no going back.

An unfinished beta means that at least you are working on something. However as of right now we have absolutely 0 screenshots/gameplay videos of GW2. Which makes me believe that they haven't even sorted out the game engine and other source code yet.

It took wow a good 2-3 years to be finished AFTER releasing tons of gameplay videos screenshots as well as other game info.

Good luck seeing GW2 before 2014

Bryant Again · Jun 10, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

You bumped a buried thread just to yell at me o_O?

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Originally Posted by hunter

Aka you have no idea wtf you are talking about.

You shouldn't feel the need to ask for my armory in the first place (even if I did I doubt you'd believe me). If there was valid reason as to why Ulduar *wasn't* easy, citing a few annoying dances or complaining about Saron (xD), then that should've been easy to provide. Instead I just get a "nuh-uhhh".

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Originally Posted by hunter

This a good enough reason for ya?

Yeup. I keep getting tunnel-vision from being so pigeonheld for so long in arms. At least it's now more focused...but Fury's in the shitter again.

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Originally Posted by hunter

lol, final proof that you have been talking out of your ass ever since the start.

If there's such thing as a "standard war build", then there's such thing as a "standard DK/Mage/Hunter/Pally/Sham/Druid/Rogue/Lock/(WoW)War build".

Granted, some classes in WoW *can* play quite differently...as can some in GW: Frost/Unholy DK vs. Daggersin/Castsin vs. WoH/RC Monk. On the flipside, some are rather restricted in WoW...as in GW: Locks vs. Paras vs. Rits.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 10, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by hunter

An unfinished beta means that at least you are working on something. However as of right now we have absolutely 0 screenshots/gameplay videos of GW2. Which makes me believe that they haven't even sorted out the game engine and other source code yet.

It took wow a good 2-3 years to be finished AFTER releasing tons of gameplay videos screenshots as well as other game info.

Good luck seeing GW2 before 2014

Seems to me it has been said that GW2 is already in a playable form. I have no reason to disbelieve what ANET has stated, so I think your prediction is a little bit off. I get a little tired of people who have to see something to believe it exist.

Mordakai · Jun 10, 2009, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by hunter

Good luck seeing GW2 before 2014

Normally, I wouldn't bite, but would you care to bet on that?

I bet GW2 will come out before 2014.

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Originally Posted by hunter

It took wow a good 2-3 years to be finished AFTER releasing tons of gameplay videos screenshots as well as other game info.

The MMORPG market has changed a lot since 2002.

Ghost Omel · Jun 11, 2009, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by hunter

An unfinished beta means that at least you are working on something. However as of right now we have absolutely 0 screenshots/gameplay videos of GW2. Which makes me believe that they haven't even sorted out the game engine and other source code yet.

It took wow a good 2-3 years to be finished AFTER releasing tons of gameplay videos screenshots as well as other game info.

Good luck seeing GW2 before 2014

2014 you say.. so lets see this is how much years of development before release..lets count lets say we got infor released about GW2 at march 27 th 2007 right so according to you its gonna take 7 years to release correct...

Now How long did it take Blizzard to reveal ANY info about Star Craft 2....info was released on may 18 2007

when was Star Craft 1 released in? 1998

Now lets count... 2007-1998=9 years ? i hope my math is correct

So an RTS game takes 9 years to complete... ive seen them being spewd out ina matter of 2-3 years.... and you expect an MMORPG to be release in a matter of 2-3 yeasr....

Once again your "Blizzard let me blow you .......away with my fanboism" is showing...previously you sated you are a realist..seems to me you are a fanatic.

Tender Wolf · Jun 11, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

I've been looking forward to Guild Wars 2 since they announced it. And with all the new stuff I keep discovering, the wait gets worse. I'm disappointed that the beta wasn't last year as planned, as the game was said to be released this year before. I realize they have to do a good job on it but still...If it takes them until 2014 or even past 2010, I'll be uber pissed, which I'm sure most of the community will be. Every day Guild Wars gets a little more boring, even with the daily Zaishen updates. The bounties are usually impossible in hard mode so you don't get as many coins, the PVP isn't even fun because there's always one team that kills the others no matter what happens (I'm always on the losing team), and the missions...who wants to go through those again, really?

Again, I know that ANet has to do a good job with this game, but it would be nice to at least get some screenshots or information. People saying 2010 and 2014 are speculating because no official information has been provided. Some shred of hope would be nice.

Which brings me to another point - several people have stated that the new content (makeovers and name change) fees go to financing Guild Wars 2. I hope that's true because at least the money is going to a good cause, though $15 is too much to change a character name if you ask me.

Anyway, yes I'm definitely looking forward to Guild Wars 2. It would be cool to combine Guild Wars' epic graphics and stories/free gameplay with the open environment, jumping, swimming, mounts, etc. of WOW. But I don't want Guild Wars 2 to be another grind fest (stares at GWEN and its rep points and WoW and its rep points). That will disappoint a lot of people if the whole game will be on reputation. I don't want to have to grind to get "exalted" with a certain race to get a mount or something from them. And I don't want to have to get to rank 5 something to get the armor. No grind! Oh, and keep the Guild Wars fighting system - don't make it like WoW where you have to turn and face the enemy to fight. Guild Wars turns right toward the enemy; the biggest issue is an obstructed view but at least you attack by yourself instead of having to turn while getting beat. Not good for the multitasker, which is probably 95% of the community.

Regardless, I'm going to get this game and I'll probably be waiting at the door the day it comes out. I already have video ideas and a storyline ready for my main character. I want it now! hehe

sigshane · Jun 11, 2009, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

I think it's worthwhile to try out many MMOs if you are really into the genre. If you are relying on one game to provide that mmo fixation for years on end you are going to get jaded and sick of it.

I tried that. WoW's just to cartoon-y for my taste.

Besides, I am not even a little bit tired of Guild Wars yet

Clobimon · Jun 11, 2009, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by hunter

Im not biased, im a realist.

SC2 and D3 are two games that 99% of the people here are gonna buy and are going to come out before GW 2. Thats 2 games, more than enough for the casual gamer as well as the hardcore gamer. Not many people are gonna stop playing their D3 chars when GW2 comes out either and SC2...is SC2 so....good luck having a GW playerbase after 5 years

LOL - What? 99% Nobody in my gaming circle is eagerly awaiting release of those, much less talk about them. A realistic guesstimate might be in order. There are other games releasing before GW2 that I hear much more chatter about, one in particular that I'll be playing to fill time that many people have told me they're going to try/play as well. Regardless, of people that have played GW for a long time and thousands of hours, I would guess that the percentage of these people that don't at least pick up GW2 is pretty high, no matter what game they're playing at the time. There's zero chance that I won't be getting it. Having tried or played extensively several games over the past year I've come to the realization of just how good ANet is at what they do. Some of the things that slightly bothered me in the past and a lot of the complaints I still read are soooo minor compared to what I've witnessed.

Bob Slydell · Jun 11, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Clobimon

LOL - What? 99% Nobody in my gaming circle is eagerly awaiting release of those, much less talk about them. A realistic guesstimate might be in order. There are other games releasing before GW2 that I hear much more chatter about, one in particular that I'll be playing to fill time that many people have told me they're going to try/play as well. Regardless, of people that have played GW for a long time and thousands of hours, I would guess that the percentage of these people that don't at least pick up GW2 is pretty high, no matter what game they're playing at the time. There's zero chance that I won't be getting it. Having tried or played extensively several games over the past year I've come to the realization of just how good ANet is at what they do. Some of the things that slightly bothered me in the past and a lot of the complaints I still read are soooo minor compared to what I've witnessed.

I still play Diablo 2..

I'm surprised the servers are still up after 10 years... but 30-40k people still play.

CasterOfShame27 · Jun 11, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

I'm playing WoW now...and I gotta say... ANET is really lazy, their support SUCKS, and Guild Wars 2 better be really damn good, or they are finished. Sorry, but when you ruin your game with useless shit (see the "Big April Update"), bad/terrible/horrid/worthless skill updates and balances, and flood your game with tedious bannings for things people take offense to (I logged on to my PvP account for lawls the other day, only to find my PvP warrior (after 3 years) had been banned a while ago for naming "Beware of the Azns") Apparently 'Azns' is now a banned term... so I renamed her "A Boob" which apparently is allowed..

So let me get this straight... you don't allow an entire culture to use a shorthand spelling of their own culture, but you allow a part of the female sexual anatomy in a name. OH GG ANET, WAY2BE2FACED.

Sorry, Guild Wars needs to burn in some holy fire for the fail it has become in the last 1.5 years.

I disagree with what you have said.

First, with the April update. A vast amount of GW players HATED the appearances of their characters three years after creating them. After all, we were three years younger, our tastes change. And the name chaging - what if you named your character something exceptionally ridiculous, but ended up getting them to level 20, FoW armor, completing the game? You might not want to be known as "I LYEK APPLEZ" or the like.

The Zaishen Challenges provided something for us players to actually do in the meantime of waiting for updates. We can't sit here and complain about how they screwed that up, because they tried to make us happy. (Shoot, it made me happy)!

As for skill updates, who the heck cares? You played Guild Wars fine with the skills it had before these "horrendous" updates came. If you don't like the unbalanced skills, don't use them. If other people are using them in pvp, just shut up and deal with it. No use crying, there's hundreds of skills in this game. Whoopdie freakin' doo, a few of them changed. Get over it.

Last, the banning situations with names. If you're really too upset about being banned for a character name, you should think, "hmm, I shouldn't have named my character inappropriately. I won't do that again." If a word or phrase somehow becomes "bad" and GW decides any name that includes it will be forced to change, make lemonade out of lemons and create a better name. However in all respect, you can't whine about getting banned when your character's name has the badmouth language of an immature twelve year old. And naming a character "A Boob?" Real mature. I hope you feel clever for overstepping the boundaries of ArenaNet's knowledge.

So to summarize what I'm saying: You've been playing Guild Wars for a while, you know what you like and what you don't like. So be quiet about what you don't like and enjoy what you do.

Obrien Xp · Jun 11, 2009, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Again, I know that ANet has to do a good job with this game, but it would be nice to at least get some screenshots or information. People saying 2010 and 2014 are speculating because no official information has been provided. Some shred of hope would be nice.

Regina has stated that more information will be made available at the end of this year.

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Which brings me to another point - several people have stated that the new content (makeovers and name change) fees go to financing Guild Wars 2. I hope that's true because at least the money is going to a good cause, though $15 is too much to change a character name if you ask me.

Name change, or one month of WoW?

(I'd go with name change personally

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

It would be cool to combine Guild Wars' epic graphics and stories/free gameplay with the open environment, jumping, swimming, mounts, etc. of WOW.

Jumping, swimming, open environment. I don't recall mounts being involved. And besides, I think the open environment will be same as in GW1 with portals separating a zone, just its not instanced and everyone is there with you (in that dis)

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Regardless, I'm going to get this game and I'll probably be waiting at the door the day it comes out. I already have video ideas and a storyline ready for my main character. I want it now! hehe

As soon as I get a confirmed date, Pre-order away! Then I pay my friend's sister to save me the cardboard store cutout of whoever the new gwgirl is showcasing

GW2

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Originally Posted by CasterOfShame27

So to summarize what I'm saying: You've been playing Guild Wars for a while, you know what you like and what you don't like. So be quiet about what you don't like and enjoy what you do.

^
/agreed
/winthread

Avarre · Jun 12, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by CasterOfShame27

As for skill updates, who the heck cares? You played Guild Wars fine with the skills it had before these "horrendous" updates came. If you don't like the unbalanced skills, don't use them. If other people are using them in pvp, just shut up and deal with it. No use crying, there's hundreds of skills in this game. Whoopdie freakin' doo, a few of them changed. Get over it.

Could you possibly make a worse post?

No, no you could not.

Zinger314 · Jun 12, 2009, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Guild Wars fanboyism is ungood, mmkay.

shoyon456 · Jun 12, 2009, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

Regina has stated that more information will be made available at the end of this year.

Right, and the last person to have Regina's job (Gaile) said we would have a beta by the end of last year...

Still waiting for it.

Point is, Anet's f'd us over on info before, so they're being tightlipped and any info they give us (or lack thereof) should be taken with a grain of salt, or better yet ignored.